Version 7.5 - Feedback thread

Since crawlers looks more favorable now and most of us are on Discovery class can we please get a free move to a different class? I was perfectly fine with the discovery class perks till now.

i loved finding pirates or aliens, they brought in a good income XD

Discoverer class

- 50% lowered chance of meeting pirates or aliens on expedition.

Discoverer class

- 50% lowered chance of meeting pirates or aliens on expedition.

Wtf ??? What isn't fair at all.

Why you should do such a huge mistake? Almost all players in the servers play with that class, and now you will gonna make them quit because of that Removed

R. I. P OGAME

Notice for swearing- Andvari300

Those who have chosen the explorer class have built up fleets for explorers.

What should we do with these fleets if we can no longer fly an Expo?

The accounts are ruined

as a top fleeter i just have to say even i knew for some time for this nerf
inever realy cared,for last 8 months this game became pve
but pve 1d,dead servers,dead game.bugged events
p2w more then ever,only because covid 19 a lot players kept playing
and a lot old players returned,after covid
at least from me its gonna be bye bye
cheers gameforge

So to balance the classes out you make the discoverer useless?

most players are discoverer so this is a good way of making them pay $ or quit playing

1. I also believe that a rebalance of classes should come with a free class swap token for all players.

2. What are the exact Metal production bonuses for slots 6-10?

3. How many "additional crawlers" can Collectors w/ Geologist have?

4. Will Collectors and Generals finally have their expeditions factor in the Eco factor of the server?

my biggest question is what will replaced the -50% CR probability. What happens take the place of the 4%?

As long as it didn't up BH % then discoverer is still the OP class. This is a good balance even if it hurts my personal account. So discoverers will make 5B a day instead of 10B. You still vastly out perform any general or collector class. Even if you only hit res for a day, the res haul of some of the larger fleets is > a planets daily production.

Everyone knew the discoverer class was going to get a nerf. As soon as the exploit was discovered everyone flocked to it and everyone knew the risk of a nerf. You don't get to complain for months about how unbalanced/broken the game is and then curse to high heavens when a balance is actually released.

Halving income is not same as halving profit shady. If you had a profit of10b a day you will now lose 1b a day, im sure malicious has the calcs ready

Quote from Shadyj09

my biggest question is what will replaced the -50% CR probability. What happens take the place of the 4%?

As long as it didn't up BH % then discoverer is still the OP class. This is a good balance even if it hurts my personal account. So discoverers will make 5B a day instead of 10B. You still vastly out perform any general or collector class. Even if you only hit res for a day, the res haul of some of the larger fleets is > a planets daily production.

Everyone knew the discoverer class was going to get a nerf. As soon as the exploit was discovered everyone flocked to it and everyone knew the risk of a nerf. You don't get to complain for months about how unbalanced/broken the game is and then curse to high heavens when a balance is actually released.

ahaha,what are u talking about?? at beging it was beta test,and u could always change your class
not cry about how some class is op
second thing,ofc nerf is ok but not 50% instant nerf
even without this nerf there was days with 2-3 fights in more then 100 expeditions
now with nerf u can get actually 1 fight in 100 expo
that is sick ahha
they basically made class useless now,even they cut dm
because they are so much greedy,and dont know what they expect from dying game
yeah ppl will spend even more money now
gl with that

Quote from Volke

Tiamat is actually spot on here. You aren't getting 1/2 the profit, this will make it so "Pirate/Alien hunting" is actually a loss. Anything from -10% to -50% every 450 missions. However, if you wish to still run big expo's Shadyj09 , I wont talk you out of it

im not an expert but if you have more chances of running into a black-hole than pirates or aliens i dont think its worth sending big fleet on expeditions now

Chance of alien/pirate is still higher than BH.

Guess we will just see how it plays out. Obviously there is now a deut cap to discoverer. I stand by saying it is still the OP class. I do agree with a big change like this a free class change should be given for those who already spent money changing to a now nerfed class.

Would it be possible to restore expedition debris to pre nerf % ( initial class launch)

Quote from Malicious

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here are the effective chances you will see after this change. Volke is right, Its not as simple as a flat reduction in profit. 5% CR, means you are sending alot more expeditions to get an EDF. That means high-fuel fleets like the BS fleets that are getting players REALLY high will just not be remotely viable now. You effectively see half the EDF AND take 2x the fuel cost. As a fleet scales, the cost/profit ratio will become negative.

I have some more numbers to crunch. Expeditions won't be profitless, but you might (likely will) not be able to sustain enough Deut via trading anymore to fly a fleet that can scale. This will bring us back to the old school expedition styles, of sending a capped amount of ships for a capped profit potential. EVEN with that being the case (which isn't actually bad, despite some of yall who built nothing but LF because ur short sighted) Expeditions will still yield MUCH more than any other class with little to no real risk in comparison.

While this LOOKS like a buff to collector.. in the scheme of things, its really only effective as a nerf to Disco. Collectors will still NEVER be able to touch the profits a fleeter can get by farming an entire uni, or a disco can get just by FINDING 20-100M res 30% of the time they fly... In addition to that, the collectors added scaling comes at a COST... more energy, which means more investment in sats or other infrastructure that produces less.. which means longer amortization and a bigger target on their back. More Crawlers, More Sats, NO WAY TO PROTECT THEM...

Its not a collector buff... its a General buff, because anyone with a fleet is going to have alot more idiots to farm regularly as clowns try to turtle over their thousands of sats every single day. Glad I live in DiDF.

P.S. Love that I can find even fewer items now GF, I have an idea, why don't you just let me opt out of your worthless game breaking updates if I give you like 5$ a month. I'd rather pay than continue to be subject to your lack of customer focus. Maybe start an old school server that players have to pay to play, where we can enjoy the game how it used to be, without all your P2W content forced on us.

Initial estimates Volke :

The challenge will come In maintaining fuel for the dry spells.

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awesome alrdy on point ye i 'd say investing more towards mines and stuff instead pure "0 brains" lf spam... and ye it'll cost alot.. Also that scheme like 8bh in out 7k expo.. well introduce me to that lucker.. i know few, still chaning sys swapping stuf, and yet i have alrdy been over 6bh in 2,5k total expo.. its like each 400tish expos 1 bh minimum, and recovery each stage costs and lasts forever.. so i can see only mainly instead of roguhly "100" DF invests from pirate/aliens into lf/cargo base, myb lowering it probably arround 50% - 50% into mines - fleet scale.. or smth simmular not sure, still its luck game, sometimes a 1% can give u "10" fights if ur lucky, and sometimes 15% doenst give you 1-2 fights ( its all luck game , numbers are random ) ... tahts all. Only thing for sure is , higher df and etc investment towards mines especially since somewhere merchant is back , or either still fleet scale cause of merchant availiblity in some unis.. so deut wont be problem, until some late stage of milions and bilions of lf's .) thats what i see for now

When they do this GF needs to reinstate Resource Market Trader..almost impossible to find enough deut as it is and at least you can Merchant excess metal etc...Sad day again for Ogame players..

While I agree that disco had to be nerfed + collector/general buffed, a 50% decrease in expi combats is massive. I think BH is something like 1/476 runs, which took ~16-17 or so combats to make up. That's before deut cost though, with that it's closer to 24 combats needed. Cutting combats in half will bring it from ~48 combats to ~24 per BH, so around breaking even. Although, if you're a smaller discoverer, resource finds and boosters could bring you a lot closer to that 16-17 number rather than 24, allowing small (which is kinda relative) expis for combats to still be profitable, albeit with a much narrower margin. Fuel numbers coming from working with a 50% fuel uni btw, just estimating right now.

With collectors, I think the issue has always been scalability, compared to discoverers. The only real limit on disco would be the point where 24/7 production of whatever you use on expi on all planets doesn't make up BH's in time (i.e. can't rebuild ships fast enough to maintain fleet and expi combat growth). While collectors with crawlers are technically scalable for a very long time period, the amortization is so atrocious that it still seems really underpowered. I'm not sure what numbers would be best, but why not hugely reduce mine and crawler energy costs for only collectors instead? I feel like that'd help with the sat and infrastructure issues that Malicious discussed and make the class more balanced.

I like the general changes, just harder to assess the value of that class imo (and compare it to the other two) because its usefulness hinges heavily on how active one's uni is.

I also think that this whole update would feel scammy if everyone wasn't offered the option to swap classes for free. I personally will stick with discoverer, but can imagine a lot of people would like to change, or at least have the option to for free. I appreciate that GF is at least attempting to balance things out instead of forcing another P2W change alone onto everyone, but if we could NOT have a P2W element attached to this one too, that'd be great...