Use and abuse of DM - State of our (dying) universe

    Hello all,


    It has been rightly suggested that I - and others - should complain about the use and abuse of DM in Xanthus somewhere else than under the CR threads. Arguably, they are the direct and most visible consequence of said use and abuse, but it does make sense to create one single thread to discuss the issue.


    It is no ground-breaking statement that the possibility to buy one's way to the top has negatively affected the game, for obvious reasons. It is not surprising, also, that GMForge looks for sources of revenue - it is, after all, a profit-making private entity, not a charity for the nerds that we all are.


    Why, then, should we "cry" and complain about the use and abuse of DM in Xanthus? Isn't it part of the Ogame experience overall? Yes and no. This is the usual answer we get from those who congratulate one another under phalanx hits in a very young, normal speed universe. But it is not satisfactory. It is my opinion that, precisely because it is a normal speed universe, Xanthus is particularly affected by the pay-to-win practice of some. Quite clearly, the effects of an (undeserved and paid for) advantage in a slow-paced universe are exponentially more visible than in a fast universe. It is simply impossible to catch up. Add to this the lack of ACS and you get the perfect cocktail for a universe dominated by one or two players who, I quote, "will take as target any fleet with more than 10k points".


    This thread is obviously directly directed at those who have been very nicely nicknamed "the Paypal Brothers". I'm not writing it to, once more, accuse them of ruining the universe. I did that already, to no avail. But my hope is that starting a cool-headed discussion on the impact of DM on a universe with Xanthus' peculiarities could lead to (1) improvements of GMForge strategy in the future (I'm still hoping for a subscription-type kind of business plan) or, even, (2) a slight change of attitude for some players who seem to have some fun but who are emptying the universe at a scary pace (wishful thinking that is).


    I would very much like to know other people's take on the issue. After all, I can't help but being biased since I was flushed by a phalanx and also suffered a DM ninja. Do please add your thoughts to this thread if you feel like it! :)


    Cheers for reading,


    Forkan

    First of all thank you for open that Threat . I hope nobody write speculative thinks on Combat report anymore.


    As i told to everyone before , GF allow to buy DM without any limitation. and all players know that before start universe.


    I was start playing on other universe before . and some of players was destroyed me with their dm created fleets. But i didnt cry.because i was know DM is inside the game.


    My suggestion like as below for DM event.


    a universe can be opened with registration cost. I dont know how much.


    But after registration , players cannot buy DM anymore. thats good way to play that game better.


    For Xanthus , just everybody think about that ,


    if i or Kingslayer didnt buy DM ,i know someone would do it. Maybe forkan maybe walter white.I know that because i saw that before in different server. it

    MaHRuTi


    Virgo US Server
    Xanthus     US Server
    Uriel     ORG Server

    For me its not importand with dm or without dm. I have more experiance ( years in gf) than most player in GF.
    If i can buy dm i will buy because i dont like waiting much more.
    On the other hand we are not richest in that uni. in devine i know 2 player which are wasting more than 50usd per week.
    If u all accept that u can write to Gm to make univerce without dm. i will be on your side too.
    Thats not our first univerce. We destroyed by dm players before. i understood your feelings. But we have 1 differeance with u. i never cryied. i wrote congratz on forum and destroyed dm players.
    Good plan, good fs > moon > money

    WELCOME TO BESIKTAS


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    KINGSLAYER / DEADSAILOR

    I see only 2 issues here:


    1) a lot of players unsatisfied quitting the uni cause of the huge gap between DM abusers


    2) DM abusers killing their uni super fast without developing huge accounts since they have no targets within a few months from the start, and that leading to them being unsatisfied too, resulting in quitting soon after, and loosing huge amount of money on dumped account.


    Both are unsatisfied, both quit, both dont evolve in anything huge.

    Quote from Forkan

    Paypal Brothers

    Don't forget the Visa Crew, the MasterCard Cult and the Amex Predators.
    I have seen the instance of where overusage of DM has caused the fall of players and where some who have excellent skill and a deep wallet can really cause hurt. Thing is though, when you are that comfortable with purchasing, you can just purchase back with which you have lost. Space docks actually decrease the cost and therefore, fleeters who use DM on a large scale can pretty much be untouchable.


    HOWEVER, Ogame is more fulfilling experience when you play without money. At some point, there is a sort boredom to be had if all you do is recover with money. I mean, why not put that money onto a sick PC? Or a new car? Pull the money to buy a chateau and throw ravishing parties like in The Great Gatsby (minus the weird drama). I digress heavily though.


    I feel heavy DM usage gives a (fake) enhancement of this game.

    Quote from SunWarriorKing

    Don't forget the Visa Crew, the MasterCard Cult and the Amex Predators.I have seen the instance of where overusage of DM has caused the fall of players and where some who have excellent skill and a deep wallet can really cause hurt. Thing is though, when you are that comfortable with purchasing, you can just purchase back with which you have lost. Space docks actually decrease the cost and therefore, fleeters who use DM on a large scale can pretty much be untouchable.


    HOWEVER, Ogame is more fulfilling experience when you play without money. At some point, there is a sort boredom to be had if all you do is recover with money. I mean, why not put that money onto a sick PC? Or a new car? Pull the money to buy a chateau and throw ravishing parties like in The Great Gatsby (minus the weird drama). I digress heavily though.


    I feel heavy DM usage gives a (fake) enhancement of this game.

    @SunWarriorKing thanks for think about how i can spent my money. :)


    But dont think so much because i have enough money for buy new car, home etc.


    I am playing that game just for enjoy when i have freetime.



    As i told before if i didn't use dm, %100 one of other will use.


    Thats reality and its happened in all universes.


    Thats not my first universe. I was playing on different comminity and i saw so much players use dm and get 1st rank. But after 2-3 months all destroyed and leave from game.


    So stop crying and talking, just do good fleetsave and strategy as a skilful player.

    MaHRuTi


    Virgo US Server
    Xanthus     US Server
    Uriel     ORG Server

    Quote from hardy

    thanks for think about how i can spent my money.

    You are welcome!

    Quote from hardy

    I am playing that game just for enjoy when i have freetime.

    I can get that. I play a similar but enriching mobile game with close concepts. What happened for Gameforge is that the cost of the game became too dang high so they added in extras so they could continue providing the game for us.


    Honestly, the discussion of DM is really a short one.

    DM isn't going anywhere and I highly highly doubt GF will ever make a dm free uni. That is the only way GF makes any money off of this game. If you made a game, and were a for profit company, would you ever cut off your only source of revenue? It just doesn't make sense for GF. Also, the board is a place where we can discuss this amoungst ourselves but GF will most likely never see any of this discussion. The best place for those suggestions are either on the Origins boards or Stomt.

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    Wow too much messages about dm. we have rules in game and life. And there is no dm limit rule in gf. So everybody can waste money like devine team members or us.


    For my life wasting dm is more comfortable at the begining because i wont waste time for production and farm. Will waste time to my job in rl. After half m point u dont need to use much dm as well.


    On the other hand money cant destroy fleets. If u have skills u can desteroy money players with your experiance in long term. if u are giving up your fleet to base while u have 4 hour ofline timing, u wont cry about dm. First of all u will learn something about fs.


    I am sorry but everybody knows that gf will never make uni without dm. People need to chose will play or not.


    @SunWarriorKing Thanks to think about cars and money. :) we choosed to play ogame. And money which i wasted for gf is one percent of my salary. :D

    WELCOME TO BESIKTAS


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    KINGSLAYER / DEADSAILOR

    Edited 4 times, last by Deadsailor ().

    Quote from Deadsailor

    On the other hand money cant destroy fleets. If u have skills u can desteroy money players with your experiance in long term.

    Id like to highlight, italic and bold this message. People can destroy these fleets IF they band together and try for ninjas. Heavy DM abuser have to come out of the woodwork at some point.

    Quote from Deadsailor

    money which i wasted for gf is one percent of my salary.

    Just 1%?

    Quote from SunWarriorKing

    Id like to highlight, italic and bold this message. People can destroy these fleets IF they band together and try for ninjas. Heavy DM abuser have to come out of the woodwork at some point.

    Just 1%?

    1- Make highlight to that message ; Soon or not one good player will damage our fleets and i will write just congratz. :) it happened before and will be happen in the future. Welcome to ogame.


    2- More and less just %1 monthly. And i am really happy with that.

    WELCOME TO BESIKTAS


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    KINGSLAYER / DEADSAILOR

    What's there to think about @Forkan They only deserve to be bashed on forum every time they post a phalanx hit.


    That #1 Kingslayer or whatever his name is now had lvl 8 phalanx when me and 90% of universe didnt even have bloody Battleships researched and i was in top #30 at the time so that explains you everything about balance between #1 and #30. Well there isn't any balance.


    How do you fight a player who is capable of producing 2 moonshots a day with while you can't produce more than 10 battleships.


    What makes no sense to me is that TM or CoMA or someone does not intervene when it comes to x1 eco x1 fleet Uni. We spent around month and a half raiding, playing, etc just to get trolled by some guy who came 20 days into universe and DM'd 500.000 points. Like what the hell?


    Yup gameforge wants money and money only but that's why Xanthus is now dead and 80% of active playerbase is in VM cuz they dont want to deal with two pay 2 win noobs.


    As i said you should be ashamed of posting any phalanx hit on Forum. And yes they are players with no skill in my book, no matter what you say you wont change my mind (dead sailor & hardy). You did not work hard you did not farm, you did not showcase any skill or anything that represents the Ogame.


    My suggestion is once you see people like (hardy & deadsailor) in Uni just leave it, don't bother playing or wasting your time cuz what's the point?


    Also @hardy your thinking is making me cringe. So if you didn't buy ''DM'' someone else would? No one is stoping you from buying DM but when you buy 500.000 points in first 20 days of x1 eco x1 fleet x6 research NO ACS uni, then somehing is wrong with you. Seriously.


    P.S i support usage of commanders and boosters form time to time but that's all that there is to it.



    I mean you have 800k points and you are posting a phalanx hits on 20.000 points player. :lol:


    PepeHands

    idk much about this uni but the topic drew my attention.
    as non-DM player, i was able to pull upto top 15-ish, just by being a heavy miner w/o much def and tiny bit of raiding in other uni.
    probably similiar in barym when it existed (3x econ, 3x fleet), even when i started bit late but caught upto ally mates who were using officers and bit of merching time to time.


    some ppl only play to win, and others just enjoy the game itself and tries to out-wit those who are stronger than themselves.
    as long as they do selective farming and keep the uni somewhat alive, i don't see any issue with it.
    (if a bully grinds off everyone, he'll just starve to death and leave the uni or wait for merge)


    it's more of how you spend res and how much you invest - time, money, effort, and/or luck(as you need bit of luck to spot any sitting fleet to crash)


    ps/
    i think GF should have some kind of self-exclusion/child-safe tool for those who are addicted to the game to help people with addiction, or monthly limit(only upon "personal" request, just like casino places)
    who knows we might have irc support channel to help ppl get out of ogame addiction? lol

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    u have misunderstanding. we didnt say that we didnt use dm.


    u talked about wars on forum, i need to explain some of them.


    1- Dark mousey aprx. 9m damaged. He was ofline 4hour after war.
    2- Dog 20m damaged. He tried ninja to me with more than 12m dm but with my experiance he was looser. And next war he was ofline for 3 hour after war.
    3- Buldoga, he made fs with harvest and said congratz to me. Still playing.
    4- Amaranth, damaged 15m. He said congratz on forum. he made fs with harvest but still playing and maybe one day he will destroy my fleet.
    5- George constanza, i tryied to beat him down but he has good experiance and operation was unsuccesfull.
    6- Andraul, he was good player which know fs and didnt take any damage from me.
    7- And u give up with only esp, not attack. U are crying everytime.


    if u check my enemies u will understand that this univerce has only 1 noob. ( u )


    I can continue to story but i tryied to tell that money cant destroy your fleets. George and andraul is one of example. And dog also is one example which is tryed to destrol me with money. i will check u in Yildun. :D

    WELCOME TO BESIKTAS


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    KINGSLAYER / DEADSAILOR

    Dude you have 0 arguments. And my argument is this.


    Only reason you killed all those fleets is cuz you had moon or people quit cuz they don't want to play already DEAD uni cuz of you and your ''paypal'' brother.


    Just check the top 20 rofl. How can you say anything after seeing this? How can you even try to defend yourself when you have 800.000 points and #20 has 39.000 in NON ACS uni in x1 x1 UNI.


    Just look at gap between #7 and #1 haha typical DM abuser now you are playing in empty universe cuz you couldn't restrain your Wallet. Poor judgement if you ask me, if you DM less maybe it would be fun (and if uni was ACS).


    Also you could never catch me and you Relocated your moon right into my system. Both you and your brothers failed to catch me cuz guess what, you can't DM experience or skill. so GIT GUD (Offtopic edit sorry)



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    Quote from Walter White

    What makes no sense to me is that TM or CoMA or someone does not intervene when it comes to x1 eco x1 fleet Uni. We spent around month and a half raiding, playing, etc just to get trolled by some guy who came 20 days into universe and DM'd 500.000 points. Like what the hell?

    What exactly is it that you want me to do? I think you are greatly overestimating my powers and abilities...

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    Yes don't beat up @Queen Leo over it xD


    If he used DM to get there then he used legal means, sometimes the staff and CoMa can't do anything about it unless GameForge decides somehow to limit DM use :P

    Former TM - OGame.dk

    Quote from Queen Leo

    What exactly is it that you want me to do? I think you are greatly overestimating my powers and abilities...

    Yeah you're right this is GreedForge we're talking about.


    They will never limit the DM usage cuz they want profit and sole purpose of this online browser game is to bring profit. But i guess it's okay since UNI's are dying after 30 days, and new ones are being born even faster so yeah, i'll cut it, no point anymore. Cheers


    Kreygasm